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Dark-Starhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17521495522537776199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-83582177500113416542015-10-27T18:07:08.814-04:002015-10-27T18:07:08.814-04:00This is an absolutely brilliant summary of the dif...This is an absolutely brilliant summary of the differences in men and women, of their respective abilities in a survival situation, and of men's need to work without interruptions, even interruptions we might welcome. I for instance would love to be 'interrupted' halfway through my workday by my spouse coming to my place, but I wouldn't get much of any work done. The best way for her and 90% of women to truly help their men is in the support roles they are best suited for. This also goes when emotional understanding is more needed, such as when a small child NEEDS his mommy because daddy literally isn't wired as well for feelings, but that's a whole 'nother discussion.<br /><br />Little relevant anecdote: a decade back my homecity was ravaged by a windstorm with speeds that equaled low-grade hurricane force...in the Midwest. I happened to be home alone, and it took me an entire day sawing a 2-foot-thick tree limb off the roof with a hacksaw blade before it snapped the telephone line and left me without communications. (cell towers and internet were down due to massive power outages). Every minute I was thankful for being a strong young man.<br /><br />And you know what I worried about the minute the storm was over and I'd determined the house was miraculously undamaged? That the women in my neighborhood were in HUGE danger because their husbands were at work. (at the time i was in high school) If something serious had happened they were physically unable to help themselves or their children. I also thanked Providence that my sister hadn't stayed home because I didn't have to worry about her being hurt. <br /><br />And once the tree limb was off, I went knocking on doors down the street. Again, not having to worry about my sister, I was able to do a far better job helping. <br /><br />Really got me to thinking about the reality of things once the emergency was over.Dark-Starnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-56721348157267164522015-09-30T12:02:51.149-04:002015-09-30T12:02:51.149-04:00I'm not mocking religion. I'm mocking Chr...I'm not mocking religion. I'm mocking Christianity. Subtle difference. I'm pretty devout, myself. Just not Christian.Ian Ironwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09776355241706284910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-43941483099962091092015-09-09T16:48:32.569-04:002015-09-09T16:48:32.569-04:00Some nice thoughts about gender roles but fugg you...Some nice thoughts about gender roles but fugg you for mocking religion you preening, pseudo-intellectual, Hitchens-Dawkins parroting, basement dwelling, neck bearded douche. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-74952678782297507912014-09-08T11:27:45.792-04:002014-09-08T11:27:45.792-04:00It's not that men are on the ones capable of d...It's not that men are on the ones capable of doing that. It's that men are less-attracted to women who don't need them. You can be Batman, but why would I want to marry Batman when I'm already Batman? Your unwillingness to act as a support for your man when the need is high, and eagerness to instead attempt to gain control of the situation yourself (therefore taking it out of - possibly incompetent - male hands) makes you a worthy competitor - but is that what he needs? <br /><br />I'm not trying to diminish the accomplishments of women, here, and Mrs. Ironwood is highly accomplished and has achieved nearly all the success she can in her chosen field - but that's not why I value her. Yes, she can be Batman when she needs to be, but she understands that my need to "be Batman" is fundamental to my being. I'm committed to my role. Whether or not she is supportive of me in that is far, far more important to the health of a good marriage than her ability to "be Batman" herself.<br /><br />It all depends on what you hold as your priority: your need to "be Batman" or your need to contribute to the stability and longevity of your relationship and your family. If the allure of the cowl is too irresistible, then spare everyone the heartache and stay single.<br /><br />The idea isn't to condemn women who are able to achieve. It's to keep that achievement and that drive in perspective, understanding it in the context of the complexity of how a cishet LTR actually works.Ian Ironwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09776355241706284910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-50542533983516284762014-09-05T14:18:30.767-04:002014-09-05T14:18:30.767-04:00No, no, no-I don't want "validation"...No, no, no-I don't want "validation" for my sandwich-making "abilities". I hate the things (however, I'll not object to a toastie). What I'm saying is that I don't see a future in which I, or my peers, are expe ted to quietly retire to the kitchen when the going gets tough. A wise man once said, "The desire to be Batman is not gender-specific." Allow me to put it another way: who wants to be Alfred? Sure, he sounds good enough on paper. He, I don't know, helps Batman tie his Bat-shoelaces or something. But at the end of the day, all anyone wants is to defeat the Joker and melt back into the night. See, men and women all over the world-including me-want to be the Alpha-smart, strong, the kind of person a paedophile cowers before (see your Taking Out The Trash post). And it's sad that you think that only men can do that, leaving their dames to trot along behind them toting platefuls of sandwiches.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-4557822787098670892014-09-04T16:15:56.403-04:002014-09-04T16:15:56.403-04:00Hardly. If your approach to domesticity is based ...Hardly. If your approach to domesticity is based on receiving validation for your sandwich-making abilities, of course you are going to fail to appreciate the deeper message here.<br /><br />And of course Mrs. Ironwood doesn't make me sandwiches. I make my own. She couldn't cook her way out of a refugee camp. More here: http://theredpillroom.blogspot.com/2012/02/alpha-move-iron-chef-kitchen-is-my.htmlIan Ironwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09776355241706284910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-58100493829996979282014-09-04T15:33:28.025-04:002014-09-04T15:33:28.025-04:00Friend, I applaud you. You're a good person fo...Friend, I applaud you. You're a good person for standing up to Mr. Ironwood. But trust me, he needs handling with silk gloves if he's gonna change his ways (or at least modify them). Fair play to you, though, and I congratulate you on not sticking that tiresome dismissal, "TL;DR" on his book-length reply. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-72466209991570051542014-09-04T15:11:21.035-04:002014-09-04T15:11:21.035-04:00Okay, okay, I'm gonna raise my teenie eenie ha...Okay, okay, I'm gonna raise my teenie eenie hands in the air and say it: I didn't read the whole article through. You know me, Mr. Ironwood-I'm a female. Deadlier of the species and so on and so forth. And I couldn't concentrate on the whole thing when a film kept on playing in my head, showing me at forty, sweating like a pig in a kitchen filled with screaming toddlers, making sandwich after Goddamn sandwich as my husband swaggers around the front garden being important and admired by all. So you needn't take this entirely too seriously, but still:<br /><br />Doesn't your scenario sound like a perfect meld of two kinds of people? The man who thinks that whining for constant snacks like a muscular infant is a great substitute for "I love you", and the woman who has the Freudian instinct to understand him-it's a match made in a certain kind of heaven, I'll give you that. But consider the same man-toddler paired with a lady who had hopes and dreams before she met him, and who still retains a small vestige of free will, a lady who doesn't make his sandwich EXACTLY how he likes it....<br /><br />Ugh, I'm getting all alarmist again. Ah, feck this all to hell-say what you want to this, Mr. Ironwood. You wrote a bad article that does nothing but tell us how you can't make your own lunch. Big deal. We all have off days. I'll let you go now, but in future, my advice is to quit pandering to your audience (which is far less intelligent than you).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-12399383663501821132013-05-29T18:38:52.348-04:002013-05-29T18:38:52.348-04:00Hell, so can I. In fact, I can do a better sandwi...Hell, so can I. In fact, I can do a better sandwich than you any day of the week, and sprout hair on my chest while I'm doing it.<br /><br />That isn't the point. In fact, you are missing the point. <br /><br />You are Blue Pilling it, pointing out the fact that <i>particular skillsets</i> are the defining characteristic of this exercise. In fact, I made the point that it isn't about the skillset -- LadySadie can use any tool the guys were using, and kick your ass twice on Sundays . . . in a stylish vintage apron. But <i>that's</i> not the point.<br /><br />The point is, the important part of the "manliness" here isn't tool use. It's <i>effective social organization. </i> The men's masculinity isn't predicated on "keeping women in the kitchen", it's predicated on their ability to organize and execute a task with minimum distraction and diffusion of efforts. LadySadie was wise enough to realize that, and saw a more effective use of her time, and that of her girls, was to stay out of their way and support the men who were doing the cutting and heavy lifting. That's intelligent, cogent use of her abilities. Just because you <i>have</i> a skillset doesn't imply that you are mandated to use that skillset. <br /><br />Your attempt to cast aspersions on the "manliness" of others in this situation is quite revealing. You're so sold on the idea that everyone in the Manosphere is a knuckle-dragging slope-browed redneck that you can't bring yourself to admit that there is a tremendous amount of thoughtful, well-informed discussion on such subjects, and that (gasp!) we might be right about some stuff. In this case, the men were not doing the work in order to earn or hope for "thanks" from a woman . . . that's a Gamma thing. These guys were high Betas and Alphas, Getting Shit Done. The women in question thanked them because they were genuinely gracious and appreciative and (hold on to your fanny pack) respectful of the men who had labored on their behalf. The chose to show this gratitude in part by feeding them . . . and you want to cast aspersions on their manhood because they did a damn job the right way, and a woman was wise enough to recognize how best she could help?<br /><br /><br />You want to demean and degrade your fellow men when they try to be masculine, likely because you have your own insecurities about your own masculinity.<br /><br />I get that. A lot of Blue Pillers start out like that, confused Deltas or Gammas starting to doubt the inherent purity and goodness of all things with a vagina. The fact you bothered to comment at all is a start. You know, once you start thinking about things - like how your automatic response is to take a thoughtless, knee-jerk feminist perspective instead of recognizing the important point: Men and women self-organize differently, and those organizations are more effective for some endeavors than others.<br /><br />And if you have to think you are manly because of what you do with bread or a tree, you've got a lot of work to do. You are manly because you have established yourself as a Man . . . and therefore everything you do is manly. It has shit to do with your job choice or your preference for sports or even your sexual preference. It has to do with self-respect, respecting others, honor, strength, and competence. If you gotta crow about how gosh darn manly you look while you're layering arugula and smoked gouda over your foccacia . . . you need to rethink your priorities.Ian Ironwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09776355241706284910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-18938477011395841012013-05-29T15:37:02.446-04:002013-05-29T15:37:02.446-04:00You said you are are "manly" about 18 ti...You said you are are "manly" about 18 times. <br /><br />IMO, a real man can be "manly" even making sandwiches. <br /><br />Other guys can only be manly when they are handling a chainsaw and insisting women belong in the kitchen. All those requirements must be satisfied for his "manliness" to come out. And if you don't thank him, he is so hurt he won't be manly again later on.<br /><br />I think I am quite manly making sandwiches or using a chainsaw! And I do things because they need doing, not because I am hoping for thanks from a woman.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-11318067275488529292013-05-27T14:37:51.181-04:002013-05-27T14:37:51.181-04:00Ian,
Okay, that answers my question. I was lookin...Ian,<br /><br />Okay, that answers my question. I was looking for the obviously relevant tie-in to the current push to feminize the military, which has been a bastion of traditional masculinity.<br /><br />I look forward to what you have to say about that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-40549948691878627222013-05-26T14:03:22.818-04:002013-05-26T14:03:22.818-04:00"we'd all be holding our book clubs in mu..."we'd all be holding our book clubs in mud huts, if women were in charge of building Civilization"<br /><br />What books? Men created language and writing. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-91581947865414198362013-05-24T12:09:20.395-04:002013-05-24T12:09:20.395-04:00The ass - also "donkey" - is a creature ...The ass - also "donkey" - is a creature of notable traits. Though notorious for stubbornness, science suggests it's actually due to a strong sense of self-preservation, far stronger than that of horses who, while capable of belligerence, do not appear to have the same level of independent thought. They are quite difficult to coerce or frighten into doing something they perceive as bad for them. According to Wikipedia, "Although formal studies of their behaviour and cognition are rather limited, donkeys appear to be quite intelligent, cautious, friendly, playful, and eager to learn." Once familiarity is gained, they become dependable and companionable workmates.<br /><br />The voice of an ass carries a great distance, kilometers in fact, and is important in maintaining contact with others of its kind throughout the lonely deserts they often inhabit. <br /><br />A jack (male donkey) can be mated with a filly, producing highly valued offspring. I would like to point out that Jack is a familiar version of John, and Ian is the Gaelic version of same.<br /><br />As Dogberry said, "Dost thou not suspect my place? Dost thou not suspect my years? O that he were here to write me down an ass. But masters, remember that I am an ass: though it be not written down, yet forget not that I am an ass."Peregrine Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03511962495322344119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-17553081976384016782013-05-24T11:14:20.712-04:002013-05-24T11:14:20.712-04:00Thanks, fixed.
Just wait to you see what I'...Thanks, fixed. <br /><br />Just wait to you see what I've got to say about the military.Ian Ironwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09776355241706284910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-6694126875366250042013-05-24T10:18:13.307-04:002013-05-24T10:18:13.307-04:00Editing nit-pick: "if she's quite" s...Editing nit-pick: "if she's quite" should be "if she's quiet"<br /><br />I love these kind of "men built civilization" blog posts. It helps me get a handle on what I need to be imparting to my son as he matures into a man.<br /><br />I believe you coined a new word: "telebitching". I think I shall steal that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-10850829095560402822013-05-24T07:39:03.604-04:002013-05-24T07:39:03.604-04:00Wow. As eloquent as you are expository. Why, exa...Wow. As eloquent as you are expository. Why, exactly, do you think I'm an ass? Ian Ironwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09776355241706284910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-54242972454466967662013-05-24T01:29:01.557-04:002013-05-24T01:29:01.557-04:00Oh my holy fuck. You are such an ass. Oh my holy fuck. You are such an ass. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-3368248298127629432013-05-23T11:32:47.121-04:002013-05-23T11:32:47.121-04:00"Those who disparage men and masculinity duri..."Those who disparage men and masculinity during good times cannot expect to be subject to their masculine grace in bad times."<br /><br />Money quote. Tattoo this statement to every beta out there. earlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-30100807702633554162013-05-23T00:06:56.137-04:002013-05-23T00:06:56.137-04:00I will never forget the two weeks I spent in my IL...I will never forget the two weeks I spent in my IL's kitchen cooking for 15ish people while they re-did the siding on DH's grandma's house. None of the other women were caretakers, and to this day, I'm well loved by people I barely know. <br /><br />I don't do tools, but give me a chef's knife and get out of my way. <br /><br />My primary job when DH is working around the house is to make some sweet tea and bring it to him. Yes, I help... but that's not my big job. My big job is breakfast before, dinner after, and making sure he stays hydrated during. We both know I can't work half as hard or as fast as he can - but I can enable him to get more done, and to feel a lot better the day after.<br /><br />Looking cute while I help? Bonus. ;)<br />Preach it, Ian. :)Hearthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755578765945858847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-88800041442997671832013-05-22T20:40:40.409-04:002013-05-22T20:40:40.409-04:00Excellent post. Excellent post. pdwalkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05943525787137905313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-21684129886415221182013-05-22T18:59:03.262-04:002013-05-22T18:59:03.262-04:00You did a wonderful job of summarizing the situati...You did a wonderful job of summarizing the situation, Thanks a Bunch! I always appreciate you insight, and I am now even more grateful knowing I am nothing like the woman who pissed off the adjuster and apparently isn't able to understand basic laws of physics. Yikes!!!<br /><br />Perhaps we will draw the ire of shrieking feminists, but I sincerely appreciate the support that you have shown during this mini-ordeal.ladysadie1http://motivationalhierarchy.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com