tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post1298592155437082856..comments2024-03-27T17:13:17.767-04:00Comments on The Red Pill Room: Lowest Default Setting...talk about "respect" for RedshirtsIan Ironwoodhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09776355241706284910noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-62193544879360345432013-03-19T15:33:31.924-04:002013-03-19T15:33:31.924-04:00Finns were once considered possible mongoloids, in...Finns were once considered possible mongoloids, in any case probably not quite white enough at a time when that really mattered. There was still something of a struggle to get the unquestioned 'white' status in the early years of 20th century. Poor guys, they got to enjoy the unblemished version of white privilege only for a few decades, and now they are supposed to feel ashamed of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-17753778265053924282012-12-31T02:40:29.081-05:002012-12-31T02:40:29.081-05:00I realize this is a long dead thread, but ever sin...I realize this is a long dead thread, but ever since I stumbled upon Scalzi's blog post when I saw it linked on CH, I decided I would no longer buy anymore of his books. I already bought 2 (Or was it 3?), then I found the books a few weeks ago and threw them away.Unending Improvementhttps://twitter.com/UnendImprovnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-17912616971848783172012-06-02T23:44:19.670-04:002012-06-02T23:44:19.670-04:00Scalzi is brilliant for writing his crap and makin...Scalzi is brilliant for writing his crap and making money off of it. Everyone buying the book is an idiot.Standup Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17252255454609764113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-79701259185036162232012-05-25T03:49:08.619-04:002012-05-25T03:49:08.619-04:00I came to a different conclusion: It's a colle...I came to a different conclusion: It's a collection of racist stereotypes, but because it's aimed at whitey, it's "commentary"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-71795694059761132232012-05-21T18:33:00.419-04:002012-05-21T18:33:00.419-04:00Arguing against Scalzi's almost completely mor...Arguing against Scalzi's almost completely moronic post is like arguing against voodoo raising the dead.<br /><br />If he's the head of the SFWA it's a sure sign why SF has fallen into itself, a caricature of itself. Reworking old themes or becoming pedantic civil war reenactors but where the south wins and with a Hugo-winning author of Star Wars tie-ins wishing more SF literature was influenced by Star Wars ain't exactly a new Golden Age is it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-18952191977515380572012-05-21T18:22:24.907-04:002012-05-21T18:22:24.907-04:00I always wondered how Cortes took down the Aztec E...I always wondered how Cortes took down the Aztec Empire with only 2,000 Spaniards. Powerful, powerful stuff privilege. Gets you to the moon and "gives" you fractal geometry.<br /><br />I like to think of Scalzi's article as an analogue to a Heinleinesque time paradox: the more correct Scalzi is, the stupider he is, since no meritocracy was involved in his "thinking."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-5152612839909719942012-05-18T17:07:07.178-04:002012-05-18T17:07:07.178-04:00It isn't logical that all SWMs have an escalat...It isn't logical that all SWMs have an escalator to the top. Bubba from the trailer park doesn't get a scholarship to college, doesn't get a job by being "minimally qualified" for it. Those affirmative action Priviliges to to women and minorities. <br /><br />There may be a historical justification for it in The Deep South, but in Minnesota we never had Jim Crow laws and the last slave who set foot here was Dred Scott, our freeing of whom touched off the Civil War, 50 years before any of my ancestors came to this country. So why am I passed over in favor of a recent Somali refugee? What did he do to deserve Privilege and I punishment?<br /><br />Not logical, John. Undermines the whole argument.Joe Doakesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-2967525762412876672012-05-18T14:16:53.182-04:002012-05-18T14:16:53.182-04:00Geeez. What a bunch of whiners.
From the time we ...Geeez. What a bunch of whiners. <br />From the time we SWM’s are born we are groomed and trained in the ways of our guild.<br />Be honest.<br />Be fair.<br />Treat everyone with respect.<br />Work hard.<br />Take blame when it is yours.<br />Don’t complain.<br />Don’t watch your feet, look where you are going.<br />Don’t Feel, Think.<br />Plan.<br />Execute the plan.<br />Give others their due.<br />And on it goes.<br />Anyone can join the fun and train right along with us. But if you do you don’t get to stop in the middle and start complaining about why you are doing the work while everyone else is watching. We SWMs work and get things done. “Oh!” you say, you get everything handed to you. Everything is stacked in your favor. BullPuckey! <br />I don’t look at your color, gender, clothes, or your wallet. If you say you’re going to do something, then DO IT! If you need help, ask for it but don’t expect someone to do the rest of the job for you. I watch you work. If it looks like you’re trying then I’ll help, if not, Ta Ta. When SWMs stop working you get places like Detroit, Zimbabwe, California and most of the Middle East. I have had to out work and out perform someone else to get what I have now. That is our Privilege, work!NighNTexasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-84676289858377491012012-05-18T13:41:58.347-04:002012-05-18T13:41:58.347-04:00Think of Scalzi's writing as the apex fallacy ...Think of Scalzi's writing as the apex fallacy revisited.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-3796754999078654122012-05-18T11:39:33.989-04:002012-05-18T11:39:33.989-04:00I'm a regular manosphere lurker, but I hadn...I'm a regular manosphere lurker, but I hadn't heard of your blog before, and I came here from your comments on Scalzi's article. Thanks for taking the fight to hostile territory and making the case for our side in a polite, reasonable manner. If even one guy chanting along with the crowd starts quietly rethinking his position, you'll have done a good deed.<br /><br />"White privilege" types realize that if they can get their opponent upset enough to say something that really <i>is</i> racist, it relieves them of the responsibility to take his arguments seriously -- that's why they paper over the holes in their ideas with so much sarcasm, condescension and affected rage. So you deserve some respect for keeping a cool head and dodging that trap.<br /><br />The wisest comment on that article, I think, was the one pointing out that for all Scalzi's breast-beating declarations of loyalty, the mob will always be only a single misinterpreted incident away from turning on him. He was a target of Two Minutes Hate <a href="http://blog.jim.com/politics/why-racefail-09-hates-john-scalzi.html" rel="nofollow">before</a> and has apparently learned his "never question their narrative" lesson.totalesturnsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-9955712835168963872012-05-18T08:24:19.608-04:002012-05-18T08:24:19.608-04:00I'm one of those white guys that looks like hi...I'm one of those white guys that looks like his success came from his Dad, but didn't. He had the appearance of success but was always on the run from his creditors. When he could have paid for my schooling, he didn't. He put it into failed business ventures. When I went into business for myself he injected himself into some of the activity, giving the impression that he was somehow in on the beginnings of my success. Just before he retired, he made a big score, so it looked like he had managed well his whole life(what a joke), but he managed to blow all that and now he's on medicaid in a nursing home. And my wife and I are taking care of his affairs and trying to pick up the pieces. And this Scalzi dude wants to say I've been cruising. FUCK HIM!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-85359513235203657592012-05-18T08:05:24.980-04:002012-05-18T08:05:24.980-04:00My problem with Scalzi's argument is that the ...My problem with Scalzi's argument is that the argument is either trivial or wrong. If you're talking about the entire world, the signal to noise ratio is too high to make a meaningful judgement on race (where would you rather live, Japan or Russia?) as there are too many uncontrollable factors outside gender/race.<br /><br />If you limit the debate to, say, the US, the argument is easily buried under the weight of evidence (unless Scalzi is using some bizarre definition of 'easiest'). I would assume a reasonable proxy for 'easiest' would be some combination of median income, life expectancy, and college attendance rate (skeptics, please suggest other objective proxies for determining 'easiest'). All three of the proxies show that asian-Americans have it 'easier' than whites, and both life expectancy and college attendance come out in favor of females.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-77814254244311521412012-05-18T04:55:21.563-04:002012-05-18T04:55:21.563-04:00What's really tiresome is seeing so many here ...What's really tiresome is seeing so many here rush to display their wounds, to shout, "Hey, I'm a victim, too!" Or, "My great-grand-daddy was an Irish drunk and killed himself, so see, I'm not privileged!" And this blog is supposed to represent the enlightened manosphere?<br /><br />Instead of playing by his rules, we should laugh at and ridicule them for the absurdities they are.<br /><br />Why should we allow others to make us feel guilty about what our ancestors did or did not do?<br /><br />What ever happened to judging every person for their own actions, not the actions of their fathers or their distant forebears?<br /><br />Whatever advantages (or disadvantages) we are born with, we cannot control. "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us."<br /><br />Anyway, whenever someone insists on bringing up "white male privilege," I bring up the extraordinarily long list of white male accomplishments. (Check out Charles Murray's "Human Accomplishment" if you're unaware of them.) If you want to play that game, we can play THAT game. If white men have any privilege at all, it is because of all that they have achieved. And every generation has to do it all over again.<br /><br />It's like a wealthy family. If the spoiled son squanders the fortune left to him, then he's S.O.L., and so are his kids.<br /><br />But I for one don't even like to play that game.<br /><br />One should never apologize for anything one is not responsible for. Once you start down that road, then you've lost your self-respect, you've lost your autonomy, you've lost effective control over your life.Catonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-74226664305948805962012-05-18T02:22:25.690-04:002012-05-18T02:22:25.690-04:00I got along fine in the world before I read Old Ma...I got along fine in the world before I read Old Man's War. Then I bought it, read it, enjoyed it, found it entertaining, as I did the next couple Scalzi books I bought.<br /><br />And I'll get along fine without buying any more Scalzi books. So that's what I'll do.Ken Finneynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-67853148285774411262012-05-18T02:06:45.356-04:002012-05-18T02:06:45.356-04:00I would rather take the viewpoint of 'PBMI'...I would rather take the viewpoint of 'PBMI' poor bloody mobile infantry from Heinlein's Starship troopers books than Red shirts.<br /><br />Some look at Heinlein's starship troopers as a totalitarian dystopia, I look at them as a bright Utopia. Universal Suffrage is an experiment that has failed... allow anyone to vote that has earned that right. Privelege has no part of the option, only your willingness to serve and take personal responsibility matter.Brigadonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-5869461489365199352012-05-18T02:06:24.349-04:002012-05-18T02:06:24.349-04:00One thing I don't recall seeing (not that it w...One thing I don't recall seeing (not that it wasn't, just that I don't remember it) was the need for the metaphor/posting. Along with everything else written on the subject:<br /><br />If it's so obvious, why is it necessary to keep talking about it? Why does this need to be constantly harped on if it isn't some sort of sales job or the grown-up version of sour grapes because someone didn't win? "Aw, it's not fair! He cheated! I tripped on my shoelaces! The sun was in my eyes!" ad nauseum.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-73354813882772034402012-05-18T01:43:36.028-04:002012-05-18T01:43:36.028-04:00Obviously, that should be ten years, not the Methu...Obviously, that should be ten years, not the Methuselan one hundred and ten. Hell, even i could match that output.JChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02448124833598565813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-77367629984430547632012-05-18T01:41:29.051-04:002012-05-18T01:41:29.051-04:00Confession: I like Scalzi's books. They qualif...Confession: I like Scalzi's books. They qualify as "entertainment", and I ask no more from them. There is (lamentably) a finite amount of Heinlein available.<br /><br />For those in search of a more politically incorrect <br />alternative, might I suggest the works of Sarah Hoyt? She blogs at http://accordingtohoyt.com/ , as well as PJMedia and other sites, and writes a darned good schtick in multiple genres (21 major label published novels in 110 years - nearly PhilDickian output!)<br /><br />I'm not sure that Scalzi's remake of "Little Fuzzy" with the protagonist as a (disbarred, disgraced, unethical)lawyer will work to his benefit, though.JChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02448124833598565813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-19322246836431375572012-05-17T23:32:08.480-04:002012-05-17T23:32:08.480-04:00Scalzi is basically a lazy egoist as someone above...Scalzi is basically a lazy egoist as someone above said. He's also someone who does "interesting spins" on other people's work and expects praise for it.<br /><br />But really, the only real thing he's good at is at selling himself, and he seems really good at that. Which is ironic considering his attitude towards his SWM readers. Maybe he's just so sure of his continued success he thinks he can just piss off anyone he wants.Scorpiusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-75509014306672195702012-05-17T15:27:00.645-04:002012-05-17T15:27:00.645-04:00Just as a point of interest, while we *COULD* be r...Just as a point of interest, while we *COULD* be redshirts, there is nothing keeping us from being Kirk either! It seems to me that by taking the Red Pill, we learn that we don't have to play in their Blue Pill world. They may not like that we don't follow their rules, but the rules we follow work -- and they work well.<br /><br />While they whine at us, we just keep doing what we need to do to be in charge of our lives. What they say really makes little difference because we have our act together, we define who we are, and when it comes down to it, we learn what it takes to get what we want. If the Blue Pill world doesn't like the fact that we are in control of ourselves, that we are effective and capable so that we get what we want, big deal. <br /><br />We may not control the social media, but we control ourselves, and that is enough.<br />EAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-40083572186897025132012-05-17T13:49:14.567-04:002012-05-17T13:49:14.567-04:00It was painful to read of your friend and realize ...It was painful to read of your friend and realize how far down that road I was too before I walked away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-47294969184715170422012-05-17T10:29:40.262-04:002012-05-17T10:29:40.262-04:00I'm the second generation of my family born in...I'm the second generation of my family born in the U.S. My family never owned slaves (at least that we know of...) and my great grandfather dies of black lung in his mid-40's because of working in the coal mines of Western PA. <br /><br />I can't deny that perhaps my gender/race combination has given me a certain perspective on life that is different from other people, but I truly don't feel like I've somehow been given a great gift because I'm white and male. My family certainly didn't benefit from "white privilege" in the way many people describe it. In fact, many of my grandfather's brothers and sisters were treated like slaves by the companies they worked for (minus the physical torture like whipping of course)forced to work in dangerous conditions for very little pay. <br /><br />In terms of MY perceived benefits, I can't see it. I have literally seen guys passed over for jobs because there weren't enough women in the department. I've seen layoffs where all things being equal, the white guys got kicked out first because the company needed to keep the minorities on staff. When applying for a job, I have to compete against people that often have a leg up because of some quota the company has to fill.<br /><br />Where exactly is my white privilege?Ted Falkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12029185441823293407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-7094185516247764392012-05-17T07:00:40.259-04:002012-05-17T07:00:40.259-04:00@ Anon 10:48pm --
I've read, enjoyed, and ref...@ Anon 10:48pm --<br /><br />I've read, enjoyed, and reflected upon "Kindred." <i>And</i> I have a different perspective from yours; closer to Ian's. It's conceivably remotely possible that his, and my, dissent from Scalzi's stance doesn't signal a lack of imagination.<br /><br />Go figure.mgwknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-28638182993932267542012-05-16T22:48:31.011-04:002012-05-16T22:48:31.011-04:00Got this off a comment from you at Scalzi's pl...Got this off a comment from you at Scalzi's place.<br /><br />“The moment you bend your will to another person, you do so willingly, not because you’re made to. In the end, it’s your decision.”<br /><br />Please read "Kindred" by Octavia Butler. You seem to have a lack of imagination. Hopefully the book will help.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514791571109198162.post-20072695853057004102012-05-16T22:18:31.855-04:002012-05-16T22:18:31.855-04:00@ gerrymander --
From "Gucci Little Piggy,&q...@ gerrymander --<br /><br />From "Gucci Little Piggy," here is <a href="http://glpiggy.net/2012/05/16/y-o-b/" rel="nofollow">yet another account</a> of the consequence of society's permissiveness in letting straight white male privilege run amok. <br /><br />Things would be so much better if SWMs would just take instruction from their moral superiors.mgwknoreply@blogger.com